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  • December 17, 2016 at 3:09 am #546

    Josh

    Size, Evilness, facts in dispute, Domestic vs. Foreign, Lies vs. Secrets, etc. etc. People argue about all those things so it takes a bunch of key examples to squash all the arguments. Vietnam scores big on Size and lies, and low on facts in dispute, and cluelessness even after the truth is revealed in widely read spots, and overall – even continuing destructiveness – more people are *still* dying in Laos every year from unexploded US bombs than US people killed by any terrorist….

    Some of the other dimensions can be argued,

  • December 18, 2016 at 3:34 pm #569

    Josh

    This photo seems to sum up some aspect of the human condition. One guy, with a tie, feels like that man’s ass is not good enough to be seen in a photograph with him, while another man is clearly overjoyed just to have his reflection appear in a group shot. Others carry on with their own pitiful lives, as if nothing of significance were going on around them.

  • December 20, 2016 at 6:31 am #578

    Josh

    K’s dad is/was a true cricket fan. He had played in school and apparently been a pretty strong amateur player. With the India teams being world class, and him watching a lot of tv, it was a natural fit for him. My interest was sparked mainly by looking for a good avenue of relating/conversation with his enthusiasms, but also by curiosity for an unfamiliar sport/culture and interest in the extreme curvature of the best spin bowling examples one finds on YouTube (the effects are extreme compared to baseball).

  • December 20, 2016 at 8:21 am #579

    Josh

    thanks, I laughed. i’ll take a slice of sweet potato pie with that

  • December 20, 2016 at 10:46 pm #580

    Josh

    Anna is saying there should have been more mutual affirmation of sincerity, back in the day. Maybe being stuck in Spook culture just fosters too much expectation of insincerity.

    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/kibitzing?kid=G1081594&reply=3

  • December 21, 2016 at 4:50 am #585

    Josh

    It’s hard to say what all the leaders know. For instance, Janet Reno was once, in some sense, above the FBI, but I bet she didn’t really know much about the black ops stuff. How could she not? Probably she just assumed the things she was told were true, most of the time, unless she had strong evidence otherwise. And she didn’t look for that kind of evidence.

    There are some books which get way into the JFK evidence and claim “No conspiracy”. Even some books which claim “There was a conspiracy to do a crappy job of investigating, without curiousity, but it was probablly just Oswald anyway.” I think it is a mistake not to distinguish between criminal conspirators and their enablers. The latter group is the majority of the population.

  • December 21, 2016 at 7:50 am #586

    Josh

    It was a bingo game

  • December 21, 2016 at 7:57 am #587

    Josh

    I didn’t feel like my econ comment took a lot of time or detracted from my day. “All bankers are an evil cabal” isn’t a theme I believe in or support. Why the concern?

    • December 21, 2016 at 8:04 am #588

      Josh

      The Federal Reserve is only empowered to a specific range of actions. It doesn’t make laws. It doesn’t make economic policy. It doesn’t make tax policy. But it gets talked about as powerful in the context of the stock & bond market which is what the public follows the most in the context of economic news…this breeds the false view that the Federal Reserve is running the economy, and responsible for all its ups and downs. It makes mistakes and also gets in tough spots that are not of its making where it has to decide what is the lesser of two or three evils. In that sense, it can’t do a “right” thing all the time.

  • December 21, 2016 at 8:10 am #589

    Josh

    Citizens United, corrupt US politics, & the broken two party system is also not the fault of the Federal Reserve or the specific set of people running Banks. As long as the financial laws are made by non-specialist Congress interviewing a group of bankers then they are going be handing out big baksheesh.

    • December 21, 2016 at 8:34 am #591

      Josh

      Tax policies, social benefit policies, trade policies, etc..All those things are up to the Congress. Not the Fed. Not the Bankers. The US needs legal changes to elect a better legislature, but that’s, again, a different topic.

  • December 21, 2016 at 5:38 pm #596

    Josh

    I love Schubert too…I know he get’s over emotional at times, but I think I can get him to calm down and come out of his inner shell.

  • December 22, 2016 at 4:27 am #600

    Josh

    After reading so much about how the Domino Theory was used as CIA justification for it’s Cold War wars, all over the globe, and it’s Cold War terror operations, all over the globe, and it’s support for repressive dictators…and reading about how Castro’s Cuba was the #1 poster domino…I was surprised to uncover the history showing that in 1957-58 the CIA had actually picked Castro to overthrow Batista, who they had installed in power less than a decade before (for the 2nd time). I suppose it is sort of analogous to CIA assassination of their own installed pick, Diem, in South Vietnam…a combination of dissatisfaction with their level of puppet control and a theory that the guy was getting unpopular and would be overthrown by somebody, eventually, led them to act pre-emptively to support their new pick. In Castro’s case, some people seem to have goofed in their predictions about how malleable he would be. But in any case “Domino” is just a propaganda story there…they were supporting Castro and had cut off arms to Batista and set up an embargo of Batista’s Cuba by the term the Cuban “revolution” took place.

  • December 22, 2016 at 4:41 am #601

    Josh

    The media is being kinder to Theresa May than most other politicians, photographically speaking, these days. Reminds me that I probably owe Flor an apology for an ancient misinterpretation, though one that was helpful in context.

    Babis!

  • December 25, 2016 at 5:42 am #624

    Josh

    I was wondering how this former big wheel investment banker, World Bank President, etc. died, according to Wikipedia in Oakwood Oklahoma, population 65 poor people in last census.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_R._Black,_Sr.

    Turns out he lived on Long Island, and that location is either a total inaccuracy or some kind of State Tax shelter move. So there was no relevant mystery to solve.

  • December 25, 2016 at 3:28 pm #625

    Josh

    There are no suspicious rumors about Zapruder, while his actions made the conspiracy more difficult without stopping it or leading to punishment. Since he could easily have veered just slightly to being much more helpful to either side, and didn’t, he seems unlikely to be any kind of spook.

    • December 25, 2016 at 3:46 pm #626

      Josh

      What went wrong with the perfectly smooth, massive inside job State conspiracy in Dallas? I guess:

      1) The original idea was 1 assassin killing JFK and hitting only JFK. That didn’t happen. Connally, Texas Gov. was badly wounded too, and so even if JFK was pronounced dead, they had to go to a local hospital, where experienced doctors could examine JFK and Connally. That was definitely not part of the plan. If JFK had been flown straight away to the liars at Bethesda (“let’s get out of this violent, sinister town”) without going to Parkland first, the conspiracy would have been WAY cleaner. The one shooter was supposed to be either up around the turn, or lower down by the grassy knoll. It wasn’t supposed to be both and hitting multiple people – Tague was wounded by a Ricochet too. So something went wrong with the opportunities and the decision-making at the earlier position…possibly unexpected flooring work being done on the 6th floor of TBD that day, possibly the silencer being used and misdirecting the shot, or something else.

      2) More picture taking down by the grassy knoll than expected and more running around/chaos after the event than expected. The FBI seems to have been quicker to confiscate the films up around the turn. They were clearly ready to claim that as the shooter site, while the public all thought/heard grassy knoll. Some reports said that police tried to keep people away from the lower down on Elm st. location prior to the motorcade but the overflow crowd drifted down there by the time it passed. So there were a surprising number of pictures snapped and then people running afterward.

      3) The Tague wounding wasn’t reported yet by the time they started planning the story of the wounding and leaving shell casings at TBD. Wound up with too many wounds and not enough bullets for their story.

      Given all of the above, the FBI/LBJ did an INCREDIBLE job of just saying “FUCK THE TRUTH”, here is what we are going to say and make it stick…early media cooperation with false pronouncements from authority turned out to be a good strategy with that. Whatever their actual level of corruption, the media became professionally invested in making the falsehoods stick to avoid the true perception that they just report any old nonsense copy from authority without the will or resources to actually check it out or dispute their story in 99% of cases, include the murder of the chief exec.

      • December 25, 2016 at 4:44 pm #630

        Josh

        I believe the CIA had a lot of undercover assets in Dallas. Roscoe White had gone there the Summer before & gotten a job as an officer with the Dallas Police Dept. He confessed to a priest on his death bed that he had killed people, domestic, and foreign for the CIA. He had been stationed overseas with an “Oswald”. His wife worked at Jack Ruby’s club. He owned Mausers – the original weapon placed on the TBD before they decided to change it to a different story they cooked up about LHO and mail order. He left his wife a stash of evidence including a third version, unknown to the public or Warren, of the dummy picture with the patsy Oswald’s face pasted on someone else’s body, holding the rifle and a newspaper. So he was a conspirator, whether or not he was “Badgeman” the hypothesized grassy knoll rifle shooter some claim to see in a B&W polaroid blown up 1000x, dressed in a police uniform. From various witness descriptions, I believe that a/the shooter and others probably did escape from the parking lot behind by walking around as normal uniform officers and blending in. There were no officers officially assigned to that area, while many reported meeting them. That could be spooks impersonating officers also.

        In any case, the FBI got a list of most of the conspirators, families, contacts to watch. All leaks were to be stuffed before they became public. White was dead, either murdered or an actual accident (he claimed murder and seeing a stranger by the accident scene). When his family started talking about their cache of evidence, a burglary was arranged to steal it. At that time the FBI stole whatever it thought was valuable and started to muddy the trail. The first diary found by Ricky White in a secret box, not in the house, and then stolen by the FBI might well have been legit – though it’s possible that it was also “trail muddying”. The second diary was definitely an FBI fake. So it’s impossible to know White’s actual role in the plot, and the info about him killing Tippet is probably fake on purpose to discredit the entire story.

        • December 25, 2016 at 5:17 pm #631

          Josh

          One of the odd aspects of the JFK overkill, with many conspirators, is that all the theories leave some evidence unexplained. I have many sources yet to go through, but the one’s I have looked at so far don’t explain the throat wound observed at Parkland. Even assuming the projectile stayed in the body and got removed before Bethesda, nobody says where the shot came from. The Warren story of a shot from above/behindreversing direction to go up, and then down again to hit Connally makes no sense, and it would have had to really veer up because the rear neck location in WC was only based on Gerald Ford blatantly altering the report to contradict the signed autopsy AND the bullet holes in JFK’s clothing, which all placed the wound in the back. Could be the exit wound from a lower angle shot that maybe wasn’t the shot that hit Connally, who swears he was also hit later than that…but then it’s not from above. In either case, it has to be some largely undescribed shooting location which was not detected by the crowd or the set of surviving photos…This picture This picture

          suggests “Stockade fence” or “storm drain” as possible locations for the throat wound shot.

          • December 25, 2016 at 6:07 pm #634

            Josh

            Usually one doesn’t like to dream up extra complicated factors to explain something that’s already complicated. Occam’s razor has merit. But there is a lot of evidence that JFK’s head wounds were seriously altered between Parkland and Bethesda. Also, Parkland didn’t notice the back wound, and there wasn’t blood visible on the photos of the clothing with the bullet hole, surprising given that he was sitting erect and then slumped on his side, not face down, in the limo. So one has to consider the possibility that the JFK back wounding was made post-mortem to fit some idea of the theory at that point or to try and claim the throat wound, observed at Parkland, was an exit wound, and it caused more problems later. IF that was true, then no shots from the rear hit JFK, but at least 1 hit Connally. It would only have been done after they had decided on the “1 lone nut shooter from the TBD” story, which they did gravitate towards immediately, in the absence of any immediate evidence – i.e. all the police were told to go there right away when all or most witnesses only heard shots from somewhere else. Perhaps there was a least 1 audible shot from that direction, or perhaps there were planted witnesses to claim that. But in either case, the police had been immediately directed to go there, so there would be a lot to explain if they didn’t stick with that story. Who was directing the police? Castro spies within the police dept? That wasn’t going to work. The strategy adopted was to fast track everything towards that story…create a rear entry wound in the head…hide the fact that a lot of brains & blood had splattered the motorcycle police 20 ft. to the rear left…etc.

          • December 25, 2016 at 6:41 pm #635

            Josh

            I see that they have a JFK shirt with a massive amount of blood on the back, so probably the jacket has a lot of blood too that doesn’t show well in the B&W low res photo. So that post mortem wound idea is not supported. “We know who killed JFK” video suggests, in passing, that Connally movements when his wrist is struck are most consistent with a shot from the front left…which would be a different site of attack. He is short of carried to his right, pulling his arm down, before turning back left to see what happened

          • December 26, 2016 at 1:03 am #636

            Josh

            But the back of the head was bleeding a lot. If he had a back wound at Parkland, and none of the doctors or the people who put him in a casket inspected his back for wounds (yes or no?) before hauling him off, that’s sort of plausible, but also an unexplained coincidence, linked to the strong possibility that the doctors at Bethesda did not initially know that a throat wound had been observed at Parkland, and was covered the the tracheotomy.

  • December 25, 2016 at 3:55 pm #627

    Josh

    It’s odd, when one thinks about it, that the Northern pop. of the US that thinks of Christmas as canonically traditional and England as a historical home, doesn’t mentally accomodate the reality of their traditional outdoor sporting events in shorts on Dec. 26.

  • December 25, 2016 at 4:09 pm #628

    Josh

    Nowadays, I am blessed…because, for me, u are very warm & giving, and very cool & smart. I get all that.

  • December 25, 2016 at 4:14 pm #629

    Josh

    I try to do the things for Riley that I can think of, or she asks for, which I can practically manage. Realistically, the things she wants most involve me surviving, and winning the Death War with the FBI/CIA, returning to some kind of normalcy, and then seeing what I can do to partly make up for the missing 2nd half of her childhood/family life. She gets grumpy and frustrated, but in her way, she is also saying “Just get on with it and do what you have to do.”

  • December 26, 2016 at 8:55 pm #639

    Josh

    Flor, what do you think of the style correlations in this editing by someone who could have been Hoover’s secretary, or another employee in 1969?

    http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62459#relPageId=61&tab=page

    • December 26, 2016 at 9:12 pm #640

      Josh

      The editor there, like so many, expresses a preference/enthusiasm for a particular male heterosexual lover. We don’t get any sense of whether that is reality or fantasy from the excerpt. I guess fantasy based on other historical materials, but that’s only a guess. My interest was more about whether Flor had teachers before Liz and if they might have come from a similar FBI tradition.

      • December 26, 2016 at 10:35 pm #641

        Josh

        On the other hand, that doesn’t look like very critical or time sensitive correspondence, & maybe JEH was still going out of his way to find way to bill the CIA for JFK-death related services in 1969?

  • December 27, 2016 at 4:58 am #643

    Josh

    I have complete confidence that the FBI will continue its long tradition of only directing false information in my general direction.

  • December 29, 2016 at 9:12 pm #678

    Josh

    I was trying to recall which person I encountered in real life looks most like the woman in the picture:

    Maybe someone from the Arden Hills neighborhood? I thought of RJ’s mom, but I don’t think that is the best match. Might have been a neighbor I didn’t know by name.

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